{"id":80,"date":"2024-02-22T22:03:14","date_gmt":"2024-02-22T22:03:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/davidicchiasmus.com\/?page_id=80"},"modified":"2024-02-22T22:03:16","modified_gmt":"2024-02-22T22:03:16","slug":"joseph-smith","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/davidicchiasmus.com\/?page_id=80","title":{"rendered":"Joseph Smith"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Recently added<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>1841 \u2014&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/the-standard-of-truth\/\"><strong>The Standard of Truth<\/strong><\/a>&nbsp;\u2014 Part of the preface to the Articles of Faith, found in the \u2018Wentworth Letter\u2019 (DHC Vol. 4, page 540)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1844 \u2014&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/king-follett-discourse\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Introduction and outline<\/strong><\/a>&nbsp;of the Prophet Joseph Smith\u2019s King Follett Discourse according to the Davidic Pattern. (Click&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/a-newly-amalgamated-text\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>here for the entire speech<\/strong><\/a>&nbsp;in one file \u2014 outlined via the Davidic pattern. Note: The above links below provide a more detailed outline of each individual macro element.)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>King Follett Discourse Macro Outline<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A \u2014&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/king-follett-discourse\/kfd-b\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>God Himself was Once as We are Now<\/strong><strong><br><\/strong><\/a>&nbsp;B \u2014&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/king-follett-discourse\/kfd-b\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>You have got to Learn how to Be Gods Yourselves<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&nbsp; C \u2014&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/king-follett-discourse\/kfd-c\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>You must Begin at the Bottom<\/strong><\/a>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; D \u2014&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/king-follett-discourse\/kfd-d\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>The Head God called together the Gods in Grand Council<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; E \u2014&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/king-follett-discourse\/kfd-e\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Element, no Beginning, no End<\/strong><\/a><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; F \u2014&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/king-follett-discourse\/kfd-f\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Man, Self-Existent<\/strong><\/a><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; E\u2019 \u2014&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/king-follett-discourse\/kfd-e2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Spirits, no Beginning, no End<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&nbsp;&nbsp; D\u2019 \u2014&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/king-follett-discourse\/kfd-d2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>The Greatest Responsibility in this world . . . is to Seek after our Dead<\/strong><\/a><br>&nbsp; C\u2019 \u2014&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/king-follett-discourse\/kfd-c2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>A Man is his own Tormenter and his own Condemner<\/strong><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>&nbsp;<\/strong>B\u2019 \u2014&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/king-follett-discourse\/kfd-b2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Your Expectations and Hopes are Far Above what Man can Conceive<\/strong><\/a><br>A\u2019 \u2014&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/king-follett-discourse\/kfd-a2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>God dwells in Everlasting Burnings<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To be added<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>By Joseph Smith, Written&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>1830 \u2014 Sacramental Prayers*<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1831 \u2014 \u201cA transcript from the records of the eternal world\u201d \u2014 Coda to D&amp;C 76, 1831 \u2013 The Vision \u2013 DHC 1:252<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1831 \u2014 \u201cCalled out of my Bed in the Night\u201d&nbsp; Letter from Joseph to Hyrum<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1832 \u2014 \u201cJoseph my son thy sins are forgiven thee\u201d,** History, (Written by his own hand, from The Personal Writings of Joseph Smith)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1833 \u2014 \u201cLittle narrow prison of pen and ink\u201d* Coda to D&amp;C 85 \u2013 to W.W. Phelps<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1833 \u2014 \u201cCalled to give up even more than this\u2026 What more dost thou require?\u201d** Letter from Joseph to W.W. Phelps\u2026 , Prayer at the beginning of Letter (Written by his own hand, on occasion of the first persecutions in Jackson County, from The Personal Writings of Joseph Smith)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1834 \u2014 \u201cA Just Comparison\u201d,* excerpt of Letter Written to the Brethren Abroad (Teachings, pg. 56)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1834 \u2014 \u201cThe Clearer Are His Views\u201d,* excerpt of Letter Written to the Brethren Abroad (Teachings, pg. 47)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1834 \u2014 \u201cViolence to the Supreme Intelligence of Heaven?\u201d* excerpt of Letter Written to the Brethren Abroad (Teachings, pg. 53)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1838 \u2014 \u201cCareful and Ponderous and Solemn Thoughts\u201d,* excerpt of Letter from Liberty Jail (Teachings, pg. 137)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1838 \u2014 \u201cI Do Not Know Where It Will All End\u201d** Letter to Emma during 1838 difficulties<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1838 \u2014 \u201cI wanted You to have the First Reading of it.\u201d Letter from Joseph to Emma \u2013 from Liberty Jail<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1838 \u2014 One Token of Friendship* \u2014 Part of a letter from the Liberty Jail<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1838 \u2014 That They May Pattern After Thy Works (Hyrum\u2019s works)* \u2014 Part of a letter from the Liberty Jail<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1838 \u2014 Undaunted, Firm, &amp; Unwavering- Unchangeable, Affectionate Emma!* \u2014 Part of a letter from the Liberty Jail<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1839 \u2014 Confidence in Approaching Our Father in Heaven** \u2014 during his return from Washington, DC<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1842 \u2014 The Principles and Order of the Priesthood\u2026 The Ancient Order of Things*<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>____ \u2014 The Davidic Plea:** Inter-Chiastic Analysis (on certain prayers found in Joseph Smith\u2019s personal diary entries, from The Personal Writings of Joseph Smith)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>By Joseph Smith, Spoken<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>1841 \u2014 \u201cThe Keystone of our Religion\u201d* 1841 DHC4:461<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1831 \u2014 \u201cThe veil might as well be rent\u201d**<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1834 \u2014 \u201cThe destinies of the church and kingdom \u2026 you don\u2019t comprehend it\u201d*<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1836 \u2014 \u201cI will not listen to or credit any derogatory report against you\u2026\u201d*<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1838 \u2014 \u201cSilence ye fiends\u2026\u201d* Joseph Smith to Missouri jailers<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1839 \u2014 \u201cWhen you feel pure intelligence flowing into you\u201d*<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1843 \u2014 \u201cCome and Get More\u201d** \u2014 conclusion of speech<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1843 \u2014 \u201cCould you gaze into heaven five minutes\u201d*<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1843 \u2014 \u201cI am like a huge, rough stone rolling down a mountain\u201d*<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1843 \u2014 \u201cI will lift them up, and in their own way, too, if I cannot persuade them\u2026\u201d*<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1843 \u2014 \u201cVisions that roll like an overflowing surge upon my mind\u201d**, Words of Joseph Smith, pg. 196<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1843 \u2014 To Stephen Douglas, \u201cYou will aspire to the presidency\u201d*<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1844 \u2014 The Prophet\u2019s dream of his Kirtland farm,** the last night of his life, DHC Vol. 6, page 609<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>____ \u2014 \u201cThe right of the Patriarchal Priesthood\u201d* Blessing to Hyrum<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>1844 \u2014 The Sealing Power* \u201c\u2026 like splitting hemlock knots with a corn-dodger for a wedge, and a pumpkin for a beetle\u2026\u201d<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>____ \u2014 John Taylor reports Joseph Smith\u2019s words, \u201cHe felt himself shut up in a nutshell\u2026 so much more comprehensive, enlightened and dignified\u201d*<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">5 comments to Joseph Smith<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"55\" height=\"55\" src=\"\" alt=\"A white circle on a gray background\n\nDescription automatically generated\"><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/\"><strong>Boyd Edwards<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/#comment-140\">October 4, 2009 at 5:09 pm<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dear Scott,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I am studying the likelihood that various chiastic patterns could have appeared by chance, and am interested in obtaining copies of the chiasms found in Joseph Smith\u2019s writings that appear under the words, \u201cTo be added\u201d at the web site<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/\"><strong>http:\/\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To complete the analysis, I will need both the chiasms that have been identified and the complete texts of the works from which the chiasms are taken. Would it be possible for you to send me these documents? If so, and if I decide to publish my analysis, I would be happy to acknowledge your help and to reference your site.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I have analyzed one such letter, Joseph\u2019s 1838 \u201cI Do Not Know Where It Will All End\ufffd? letter to Emma, so I don\u2019t need that one.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you\u2019re interested in my work on the subject, please feel free to take a look:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1. \u201cDoes Joseph\u2019s letter to Emma of 4 November 1838 show that he knew about chiasmus?,\ufffd? B. F. Edwards and W. F. Edwards, Dialogue Paperless,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.dialoguejournal.com\/\"><strong>http:\/\/www.dialoguejournal.com<\/strong><\/a>, E-paper #4 (2006).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2. \u201cResponse to Earl Wunderli\u2019s critique of Alma 36 as an extended chiasm,\ufffd? B. F. Edwards and W. F. Edwards, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 39, no. 3, 164 (2006); full account at Dialogue Paperless,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.dialoguejournal.com\/\"><strong>http:\/\/www.dialoguejournal.com<\/strong><\/a>, E-paper #1 (2006).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>3. \u201cDoes chiasmus appear in the Book of Mormon by chance?,\ufffd? B. F. Edwards and W. F. Edwards, BYU Studies 43, no. 2, 103 (2004);&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/byustudies.byu.edu\/chiasmus\/\"><strong>http:\/\/byustudies.byu.edu\/chiasmus\/<\/strong><\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Thanks for any help, and very best wishes. I\u2019m sorry to read that Jared has passed away, and appreciate his contributions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Cheers and best wishes!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Boyd<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Boyd F. Edwards<br>Russell and Ruth Bolton WVU Professor<br><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/physics.wvu.edu\/people\/boyd_edwards\"><strong>http:\/\/physics.wvu.edu\/people\/boyd_edwards<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"55\" height=\"55\" src=\"\" alt=\"A white circle on a gray background\n\nDescription automatically generated\">Richard C. Shipp<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/#comment-26590\">September 26, 2011 at 3:20 pm<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I did a Master\u2019s Thesis at BYU back in 1972-5, which included my thesis on Chiasmus in Modern Revelation. The thesis is entitled, \u201cConceptual Patterns of Repetition in the Doctrine and Covenants ad Their Implications.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Thesis analyzed many D&amp;C revelations, as well as giving many examples of the three types of repetition found in the Scriptures: Parallel, Reverse (Chiasmus), and Combination patterns (that incorporate both parallel and chiastic together).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>You can find the thesis online in a digital collection by BYU Library:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Conceptual Patterns of Repetition<br>in the Doctrine and Covenants<br>and Their Implications<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/contentdm.lib.byu.edu\/cdm4\/document.php?CISOROOT=\/MTNZ&amp;CISOPTR=22808&amp;REC=2\"><strong>http:\/\/contentdm.lib.byu.edu\/cdm4\/document.php?CISOROOT=\/MTNZ&amp;CISOPTR=22808&amp;REC=2<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2013 \u2013 \u2013<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here is their brief explanation of this Thesis collection:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>BYU Master\u2019s Theses on Mormonism (Digital Collection)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How are the Theses Selected?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The goal for this collection is inclusiveness. Master\u2019s theses contain important research and writing in many disciplines which are often overlooked and are much less readily available than doctoral dissertations. It is basically an author selected collection, because every author, or their descendents, is routinely contacted to gain copyright permission for inclusion in this digital collection.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A few authors have denied copyright permission because of their own desire to publish their work or because of their concern over the \u201cdatedness\ufffd? of their scholarship. New scholarship builds upon existing scholarship and the fact that the earliest theses in this digital collection were written in the 1930s, indicates that there may be much revisionist research and writing that has occurred since a specific thesis was written. The decision was made, however, to include the master\u2019s theses as written at the time the degree was granted even though the author was aware of subsequent relevant research. It should be recognized that many master\u2019s thesis may still be the major scholarly work on a specific subject.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Printing\/Viewing Files<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Files in this viewer are displayed and printed as individual pages. If you wish to print the entire document, a printing version is included at the bottom of each table of contents. These printing versions are Adobe Acrobat files, are searchable, and are usually large in size. Because of their large size, they may be difficult for you to download if you are on a dial up connection.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I think you will enjoy learning more about chiasmus in modern revelation, as one of the proofs of the divine Prophetship of Joseph Smith.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(The thesis also presents D&amp;C 136, which shows the chiastic structure of this revelation as received by President Brigham Young.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2013 \u2013 \u2013<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I think you will find a qualitative and quantitative difference in the structures of the revelations given through the Prophet Joseph Smith, compared with his every-day writings. The revelations are highly structured as you will see in my thesis. His everyday writings do not appear to be nearly as highly structured and patterned. (This would agree with his statement that a Prophet is a prophet when he is acting as such\u2014which obviously would not include much of his day to day activities\/writings.) My analysis of the revelations included the whole text, not just \u201csurface patterns\u201d that can be skimmed off the top of nearly any text document.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>You will also find that the D&amp;C Revelations I analyzed agreed with the \u201cLaws of Chiasmus\u201d that Nils Lund formulated as he did his Master\u2019s and PhD research on Chiasmus in the Bible (his published work entitled, \u201cChiasmus in the New Testament\u201d). Take for instance D&amp;C 3 as presented in my thesis, which has 7 major patterns starting at the beginning of the revelation and ending with \u201cAmen.\u201d They span the whole revelation, one after another. Nils Lund found in his Bible research that when you have 7 patterns in a row, you would often find something very distinctly related between the first, third, fifth, and seventh patterns, OR the second, fourth (central), and sixth patterns.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The truth is, a week or so after I have finished my D&amp;C 3 analysis, I got a prompting that I should go back and look at the revelation to see if the first pattern matched the seventh, the second matched the sixth, the third matched the fifth, and if the fourth had a central message as the main message of the revelation. I found that it was so. In matching up the patterns in this \u201cmacro-pattern,\u201d I discovered that the centers of the second, fourth, and sixth patterns were the SAME. That was a confirmation to me that I had done the pattern analysis correctly. Again, this revelation is a perfect example of one of the the \u201cLaws of Chiasmus\u201d as formulated by Lund, (as cited above). It is an astonishing revelation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I have no doubt personally, that Joseph Smith did not know that the revelations he was receiving were so highly structured. Again, these highly structured revelations in modern times are an evidence that the God of the Hebrews was speaking through the Prophet Joseph Smith.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Best Wishes,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>RCS<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"55\" height=\"55\" src=\"\" alt=\"A person in a suit\n\nDescription automatically generated\">Scott Vanatter<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/#comment-31230\">November 11, 2011 at 4:37 pm<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Thank you for posting this. I am sorry it took so long to get to it. I plan on reading your work over the holidays. Do you have any further research, or any published writings on this? Any website? Thanks again!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"55\" height=\"55\" src=\"\" alt=\"A white circle on a gray background\n\nDescription automatically generated\">Boyd Edwards<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/#comment-35459\">December 11, 2011 at 3:41 pm<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In our 2004 BYU Studies article (Vol. 43, No. 2, p. 103), we analyzed chiasms identified in the Doctrine and Covenants by Shipp, Ostler, King, and Gorton. None of these chiasms is statistically significant, meaning that it is not possible to rule out the possibility that these appeared by random chance (that is, that they are artifacts of later analysis rather than the products of a deliberate application of the chiastic form on the part of their authors). Our analysis rules out this possibility for chiasms in the Book of Mormon and the Bible, leaving only one possible conclusion: that chiasms in the Book of Mormon and the Bible were designed deliberately by their authors to fit the chiastic form. Our study does not and cannot say whether the chiasms in the Doctrine and Covenants are random or deliberate, but does say that chiasms in the Bible and the Book of Mormon are deliberate, placing these chiasms on stronger footing statistically than chiasms in the Doctrine and Covenants.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We have also analyzed chiasms in Joseph Smith\u2019s correspondence, including his 1838 \u201cI do not know where it will all end\u201d letter. None of these chiasms is statistically significant.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We summarize all of our findings to date in our most recent work on the subject, (BYU Studies, Vol. 49, No. 4, p. 131, 2010), available along with our 2004 publication at&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/https:\/byustudies.byu.edu\/Features\/BookOfMormon\/bofm.aspx#Chiasmus\"><strong>https:\/\/byustudies.byu.edu\/Features\/BookOfMormon\/bofm.aspx#Chiasmus<\/strong><\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Cheers and best,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Boyd Edwards<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"55\" height=\"55\" src=\"\" alt=\"A person in a suit\n\nDescription automatically generated\">Scott Vanatter<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200609201147\/http:\/www.davidicchiasmus.com\/blog\/joseph-smith\/#comment-44055\">February 4, 2012 at 2:08 am<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hi Boyd,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Thanks for checking back in. I am sorry I didn\u2019t see your post till a over a month later. And, thanks for your analysis of chiasmus. I have read with interest your findings. Given your assumptions, I understand your conclusions. In a conference on chiasmus over a year ago (in Utah, see the home page of this very site for a book from the various presenters), I cautioned those of us writers on \u2014 and consumers of what has been written about \u2014 chiasmus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The question as to whether any particular writer or speaker consciously knew they were writing or speaking chiastically is not one (IMO) that can truly be known by us, no matter how we devise the test. And no matter whether we conclude they DID know, or DIDN\u2019T know. Of course, one cannot prove a negative.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Until we locate affirmative, overt confirmation that this or that writer states that they knew they were using chiasmus, we will be left wondering. My good friend, now deceased, Jared Demke, was convinced Joseph knew he was writing or speaking chiastically. I am not so sure.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Also, as Jared and I posit a thematic, rather than a straight word-for-word matching, our pattern allows for a much more interesting (and difficult to test*) hypothesis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>*BTW, I believe one COULD devise a test to evaluate whether our semi-finite list of certain related terms or phrases ARE found in a usual order or not.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Again, thanks for checking back in. Perhaps we can check in again on another testable hypothesis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Best regards,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Scott<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Recently added King Follett Discourse Macro Outline A \u2014&nbsp;God Himself was Once as We are Now&nbsp;B \u2014&nbsp;You have got to Learn how to Be Gods&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-80","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidicchiasmus.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/80","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidicchiasmus.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidicchiasmus.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/davidicchiasmus.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/davidicchiasmus.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=80"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/davidicchiasmus.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/80\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":82,"href":"https:\/\/davidicchiasmus.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/80\/revisions\/82"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/davidicchiasmus.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=80"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}